Ok so here's my thing. Do I sympathize with Angel, absolutely, has he gone through more than one person should handle? Of COURSE, no doubt he's been through some hard times (and that's the understatement of the century, I'm aware, but let's just ignore my lack of articulation mkay?). So I'm NOT denying all of that stuff would lead to his downfall. But with our heroic journeys - or what imo makes them heroes (and superior to us all) is their ability to get back up again. They fall, they're ALWAYS going to fall. Hard and fast, but they dig their way out. They scratch and claw, and that's just what they (Buffy, Angel) do because they're heroes. That's what I love about them.
But it's the shear...disregard for other people, the reckless behaviour, I mean innocent people getting killed (by Angel no less) in the process, but he's got his one track mind on the fucking over the Black Thorn-ness that he just can't seem to care. And that bothers me. Does Buffy do the same thing? Yes initially (going back to the Vineyard), she is the general, she has to make the hard decisions and accept that there will be casualties. But what happens to her? She's persecuted for this, yet Angel isn't. They intervene, confront her, punish her and usurp her. They take away her "power" because of it.
Just for me, I'd like to have seen the journey come full circle. For me it didn't, I'm not saying happily ever after, but Angel accepting himself, Angel not giving up and this suicide mission...just felt a lot like, not necessarily giving up (could be construed as that, given that many felt that about The Gift) But giving in. I mean he has ABSOLUTELY no idea what will come of this, this city is going to be massacred, people will die, but as long as Angel gets that fuck you in, he doesn't care. I mean there are W&H's ALL around the world. There's too much he still doesn't know.
just means that he was very desperate and disillusioned and made a desperate and disillusioned decision.
But aye that's the rub. The show (and his character's physical journey here) has it ended on one last ditch, desperate act of reckless abandon?? Sounds a lot like revenge doesn't it? If we've learned anything in this verse, it's that revenge is punishable. It's just not something he should be proud of, and he drags all his best and closest with him, and being the loyal friends they are, will inevitably help him in this...and Spike? Well he just likes the fight. He's died twice already, he can do it again. And all because of that, I find it so much less satisfying? Heroic? I'm not sure but it's left me with more feelings of doubt (and a little bit of frustration) then it should have.
Because apparently Joss says the theme is never stop fighint, ok fine. But it is ending..isn't it? He's going in prepared to die and to bring everyone down with him. He's not exactly changing the world for the better. For all he knows he'll piss the Black Thorn off even more and bring hell on Earth because of it.
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Date: 2008-07-24 01:17 am (UTC)But it's the shear...disregard for other people, the reckless behaviour, I mean innocent people getting killed (by Angel no less) in the process, but he's got his one track mind on the fucking over the Black Thorn-ness that he just can't seem to care. And that bothers me. Does Buffy do the same thing? Yes initially (going back to the Vineyard), she is the general, she has to make the hard decisions and accept that there will be casualties. But what happens to her? She's persecuted for this, yet Angel isn't. They intervene, confront her, punish her and usurp her. They take away her "power" because of it.
Just for me, I'd like to have seen the journey come full circle. For me it didn't, I'm not saying happily ever after, but Angel accepting himself, Angel not giving up and this suicide mission...just felt a lot like, not necessarily giving up (could be construed as that, given that many felt that about The Gift) But giving in. I mean he has ABSOLUTELY no idea what will come of this, this city is going to be massacred, people will die, but as long as Angel gets that fuck you in, he doesn't care. I mean there are W&H's ALL around the world. There's too much he still doesn't know.
just means that he was very desperate and disillusioned and made a desperate and disillusioned decision.
But aye that's the rub. The show (and his character's physical journey here) has it ended on one last ditch, desperate act of reckless abandon?? Sounds a lot like revenge doesn't it? If we've learned anything in this verse, it's that revenge is punishable. It's just not something he should be proud of, and he drags all his best and closest with him, and being the loyal friends they are, will inevitably help him in this...and Spike? Well he just likes the fight. He's died twice already, he can do it again. And all because of that, I find it so much less satisfying? Heroic? I'm not sure but it's left me with more feelings of doubt (and a little bit of frustration) then it should have.
Because apparently Joss says the theme is never stop fighint, ok fine. But it is ending..isn't it? He's going in prepared to die and to bring everyone down with him. He's not exactly changing the world for the better. For all he knows he'll piss the Black Thorn off even more and bring hell on Earth because of it.