You managed to leave out the part where I sympathized more with Buffy because of her age. I find the argument flawed because I do not think it was Buffy's fault. I do not think it was Angel's fault. I do not blame either of them. I think blaming Buffy has sexist overtones. I think blaming Angel makes no sense in context.
I actually cited Jenny as a victim, not someone who deserved her fate. You blame the gypsies, I don't. The only reason Angel/Angelus was cursed to begin with was because he was a murderer. I think the curse was a good one, since it gave him the chance at redemption, but removed that chance if he decided to pursue his own desires. And if Angelus gets a moment of happiness, he loses his soul and wrecks havok on more people. Like he did. In the canon. Revenge is never a good thing. I think they should have never risked Angel losing his soul and found a different way to punish him if they wanted revenge that badly.
Giles was a child compared to Angel, no matter how they physically appeared. I disagree. Angel is highly immature and emotionally stunted. Giles is fairly well adjusted, all things considering. Also the issue is that he thinks of Buffy, Willow and Xander as children. Angel sees Buffy as a woman in her own right.
If having a soul gave Angel the tools for redemption, perhaps he should've used them. ...And he was. See: helping out Buffy saving the world. His love for her doesn't invalidate what he did.
He should have known better than to have a romance with someone who hasn't had even enough time to mature. Because he thinks highly of her. He thinks she's strong. He thought, for a second, love could conquer all. Both Buffy and Angel have to learn that lesson. And I don't think Angel making a choice about their relationship is taking the high rode - I always thought he was being selfish and short-sighted when he left her (although I did understand his motives for doing so.)
I didn't like the Spike-with-a-soul plot much either. However, it is canon. I'm not going to deny what happened just cos I don't like it. And there is this part that people with souls can do horrible things (see: season six) and that Spike was being used by The First.
Angel did something selfish, and lost the thing that was preventing him from killing. Sleeping with the woman he loves when he didn't know about the curse is not selfish. Sleeping with Darla in hopes to lose his soul, however, was selfish.
He then returned to being the mass murderer that he had been. Do I think he had himself to blame? Yep. ...HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CURSE. It not something he can be blamed for.
I give Buffy a little blame because he's a vampire and she's letting emotion overrule sense. Christ SHE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CURSE. How can be be blamed for something like that? SHE CAN'T.
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Date: 2008-08-05 03:58 am (UTC)I find the argument flawed because I do not think it was Buffy's fault. I do not think it was Angel's fault. I do not blame either of them. I think blaming Buffy has sexist overtones. I think blaming Angel makes no sense in context.
I actually cited Jenny as a victim, not someone who deserved her fate. You blame the gypsies, I don't. The only reason Angel/Angelus was cursed to begin with was because he was a murderer. I think the curse was a good one, since it gave him the chance at redemption, but removed that chance if he decided to pursue his own desires.
And if Angelus gets a moment of happiness, he loses his soul and wrecks havok on more people. Like he did. In the canon. Revenge is never a good thing. I think they should have never risked Angel losing his soul and found a different way to punish him if they wanted revenge that badly.
Giles was a child compared to Angel, no matter how they physically appeared.
I disagree. Angel is highly immature and emotionally stunted. Giles is fairly well adjusted, all things considering. Also the issue is that he thinks of Buffy, Willow and Xander as children. Angel sees Buffy as a woman in her own right.
If having a soul gave Angel the tools for redemption, perhaps he should've used them.
...And he was. See: helping out Buffy saving the world. His love for her doesn't invalidate what he did.
He should have known better than to have a romance with someone who hasn't had even enough time to mature.
Because he thinks highly of her. He thinks she's strong. He thought, for a second, love could conquer all. Both Buffy and Angel have to learn that lesson. And I don't think Angel making a choice about their relationship is taking the high rode - I always thought he was being selfish and short-sighted when he left her (although I did understand his motives for doing so.)
I didn't like the Spike-with-a-soul plot much either. However, it is canon. I'm not going to deny what happened just cos I don't like it. And there is this part that people with souls can do horrible things (see: season six) and that Spike was being used by The First.
Angel did something selfish, and lost the thing that was preventing him from killing.
Sleeping with the woman he loves when he didn't know about the curse is not selfish. Sleeping with Darla in hopes to lose his soul, however, was selfish.
He then returned to being the mass murderer that he had been. Do I think he had himself to blame? Yep.
...HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CURSE. It not something he can be blamed for.
I give Buffy a little blame because he's a vampire and she's letting emotion overrule sense.
Christ SHE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CURSE. How can be be blamed for something like that? SHE CAN'T.